New regulation in Immigration Department.

New regulation in Immigration Department.

Bureaucracy is getting worse in Immigration, there are new “internal” rules, rules nobody can see. Nowadays the most important change are: 1) Ex Police, Ex-Army, and any Ex US law enforcement agents must wait longer, I was told, unofficially Immigration is checking with INTERPOL for a police record. 2) Investors must be in Nicaragua to submit their applications; before I was able to do it with a Limited Power of Attorney in Immigration. Today they told me the new rule is the applicant(s) must be in Nicaragua. The Limited Power of Attorney will be accepted it if they are in their farm, business or property outside of Managua, but they must be in the Country It makes sense, but it is new. I submitted several applications in the past just with the Limited Power of Attorney. Retirees must also be in Nicaragua at the time they apply with INTUR.

Best Regards

Paul Tiffer Attorney at Law ptiffer@cablenet.com.ni

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Sounds good

After the murder here, checking with Interpol makes sense even if it might not have stopped that person from coming into the country.

I also have heard that Migracion is simplifying getting documentation approved -- one friend recently didn't have to send his documents through the Nicaraguan consulate in the US, but had them verified by the US Embassy here.

Local folks guessed that the retired police might be getting extra special attention because the local person who had the longest wait for his cedula was a retired cop who'd used a lawyer.

Some of the changes for investors might be due to the various frauds and failed operations of the past. If what I heard is true, some simply built a house and considered that a financial investment in Nicaragua. If Nicaragua is going to allow these people privileges, the country should assure itself that the investors are actually bringing a business here and have enough of a prior track record to make it seem more likely than not that the business will succeed.

None of this sounds particularly arbitrary.

Rebecca Brown

That is correct

Rebecca you are right, some people is telling on Internet that is good enough to obtain Residency as Investor to buy a house to be consider Investor; the Government gives that benefit to people who is running a business, that is way the incorporation of a Corporation (Sociedad Anónima) is mandatory and prove the investment. An appraisal from MIFIC will do an inspection to confirm there are more than $ 30,000.00 Invested.

Regarding ex law enforcement agents, now we know they must wait more time than usual.-

Best Regards,

Paul Tiffer

Interpol Check Is

probably a good idea, and I believe the National Sex Offender Registry is up and running too.

It's unlikely that Givner would have been stopped by either of these. Givner is really an anomaly. How many gringos kill Nicas? How many gringos are killed by Nicas?

I think we're going to find out

Givner's utter lack of connection with his past either in the US or Germany looks aberrant.

Of the Gringos who were killed by Nicas, two of them were doing stupid things -- and some Nicaraguans think the woman killed in Granada was involved in drugs herself. The gringo who was killed by his 17 year old lover was doing the sort of stupid thing that guys seem to do -- we had someone who was more fortunate in his obsession in that the object of his lust told him she didn't love him. I've got a couple of guy friends either who've been here or who live here who understand very well what they look like, what reason a young Nicaraguan might have for throwing herself at him, and have declined all offers.

Some of this reminds me of the saying about Mississippi -- the murder rate is very high, but if you don't date Mississippeans, you're quite safe.

Who else has been killed? Not enough for the State Department to list the body count which they're doing for Costa Rica and El Salvador: At least 14 U.S. citizens have been murdered in Costa Rica since January 2007; at least thirteen U.S. citizens who were murdered in El Salvador since 2010. There are probably many more US citizens in Costa Rica; I don't know about El Salvador.

Costa Rica had a US citizen mass murderer there for a while, Wild Bill Holbert. A British citizen killed a Czech woman in Costa Rica, so drug-fueled murders by ex-pats do happen, and the killer had been in Nicaragua earlier, and was a crazy rich boy: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083356/Costa-Rica-blames-UK-mur.... Interpol apparently had warned Central American countries that he was coming.

In 2010, a U.S. citizen was murdered by gang members in a popular Managua hotel district after a confrontation, so that's one. A man was killed over a laptop, again in Managua; Lemon Tree in Granada over arguing with people sitting on her stoop. The guy who couldn't keep it in his pants (okay, death isn't an appropriate penalty for statutory rape). Any others? I'm almost surprised there haven't been more murders in commissions of robberies.

The case in Costa Rica is an example, in the worst way, of what the well-off often do with their crazies -- they let them drift down to the poor parts of the world, out of sight. Most of the time, they're fairly harmless. Some of the time, they're not. Most of the middle class kids who run these sorts of sustainable entertainment centers tend to be very naive about possibly dangerous people. Murder's rare, but common theft isn't.

Rebecca Brown

Wow

I hadn't heard of that one before.

2002.

Rebecca Brown

OK, So That's

4 to 1 if you're counting. Nicas haven't done that well in the Olympics, but are scoring OK on the home turf. Volz is still widely considered to be the culprit among Nicaraguans (absent any convincing proof, but that's not how it works in Nicaragua). So that's 4 to 2 if you give them the benefit of the doubt.

Ken was another anomaly, nice guy far from home, struggling . .We'll never know his story. Another book waiting to be written. My research indicates that he was killed as he tried to break off the relationship. There was some question as to whether he was dismembered with a chain saw or a circular saw. Otherwise, the facts are pretty well documented.

Do we have a number for the ex-pats living in Nicaragua? Juanno would probably know . . . .

Word on the Street says Our Baddie was here illegally

Saw two of the other expats today -- one said that Nicaraguans are giving him a bit of a wider berth and the other one said that there's still a lot of speculation about the relationship among Nicaraguans he knows. He'd been going by a different name in the street: Favio or Fabio.

Rebecca Brown

The couple busted coming into Nicaragua in 2010

...apparently killed maybe up to 20 Panamanians, at least six others.

With Voltz, the question is whether he hired someone to do it while making sure he had an alibi.

I've seen figures around 8,000. If expatriate residency cedulas are numbered sequentially, about 3,000 more have gotten residency between mine and two friends here. If it's a code of some kind, shrug.

Rebecca Brown

Baring any mischief

It sounds like Migracion is doing its job. All the Kinde Souls that move down here forget that there are perverts, druggies, money launderers, etc. that move from country to country to obscure their past and police checks from multiple countries may be in order. I wonder if the standard US police report takes in the Sex Offender Registry.

Investor visas are supposed to help build the economy of the country, not just be a convenience for the person who wants to set up a dummy residency for whatever reason. Stalling on the cops and soldiers may be a little political paranoia but probably comes with the territory. Most decent neighborhoods in the US are overjoyed to have these retirees in their community.

"You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality." Ayn Rand

I Couldn't Understand

the thing about the ex-police either. We have some occasional police corruption but I don't think it's systemic or institutionalized.

These guys could provide a huge service to Nicaragua, but I just don't see a flurry of law enforcement retirees coming to Nicaragua.

The "local police check" is going to turn up anyone who is wanted for a crime anywhere in the US, everything is computerized these days. I don't know if international warrants also turn up.

This came up today as to why US cops might be a problem

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/08/08/what-do-you-mean-we-ca...

For those who don't click links, a US cop who couldn't bring his handgun into Canada was accosted by two men aggressively giving away Calgary Stampede tickets, apparently. Cop felt he should have been able to draw down on them to protect himself and his wife, and that only Jesus kept him from harm (I hear a Canadian giggling even without Skype).

Rebecca Brown

The hashtag is

#nosehillgentlemen on twitter. Yes, it was confirmed they were handing out free tickets. Just imagine if it had been the free Calgary Stampede pancakes....

Yeah, I thought you'd be amused.

Guy's situational awareness need to be sent in for retuning, and he needs to find another line of work.

Rebecca Brown

If the Ex US Cop that I know of is to be believed

he my have started this....

By his own admission (but now I'm thinking it could be true)..he recently told Migracion, in no uncertain terms, and by graphic gesture, what they could do with his expired cedula they were trying to renew for him and finished up by throwing it across the parking lot, no doubt in front of security and/or cameras.

This is the the same guy who told Aduana to Get F@#$%# and promptly lost a bobcat trailer he had tried to import...

He told this story to me and my Nica wife, Maria, who was particularly interested in the part where, quote "I kicked my girlfriend and her baby (not his) out because she didn't take instructions very well and that in the future he will rent one" end quote.

Lovely eh?

Multiply this behavior out by all gringo locations and its no wonder the good folk get treated like the bad folk, is it?

OK, OK,, OVER

the line, but how many people, cops or otherwise, do you really know like that ?

RentAGirlfriend. . . . .good luck with THAT one :) -- which begs the question, just exactly WHAT were the instructions the girlfriend wasn't "following very well" ??

Finally a bit of levity. This has been a cantankerous day.

On the cop in Canada ? Sounds fishy. Most cops don't like to take their guns out of the holster unless there is a real need. Clint Eastwood is not your typical cop, as the movie made quite clear. And the first thing they tell you in "concealed carry school" is don't pull your gun out (or even display it by lifting your shirt, for example) unless you're ready to kill the guy (which my instructor, a female sheriff's deputy highly recommended over just shooting the guy in the leg). Brandishing a weapon is a serious offense, and can be charged as felony in some jurisdictions.

I don't see Nicaragua as a dangerous place. There are a lot of much more dangerous places in the US. I feel for the lawyer in New Haven who was arrested for carrying his weapon into a showing of "Dark Knight". I've been in New Haven, there is NOTHING in Nicaragua like that. There are areas in Philadelphia that make Managua look like a well-kept suburb.

Basically, the one retired cop I know here is Tea Party

I've noticed that a large number of people here who are retired to Nicaragua or planning to retire to Nicaragua are right wing ex-military. Cops are rarer but they are also trained in arms and tend to be right wing.

A friend wondered if you're being encouraged by the US government to retire here, but I didn't think it was that organized. It is, however, that noticeable.

You are still being allowed in; you're just getting extra-special checking. Arms training and higher than average hostility to the current regime -- it absolutely makes sense to check more carefully.

Rebecca Brown

i`ve been here 6 years

and have run into ZERO right wing ex-military retirrees. You must know them all. For the record, US police are very poorly trained in arms. The average US cop never shoots his gun at a live subject in his whole career! Not one shot. Of those police who do shoot at somebody, they miss with 4 out of 5 shots. Christian msiisionarires also have higher than average hostility to the dictatorship. Should they get extra scrutiny, too?

"You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality." Ayn Rand

Maybe Jinotega

is the Sandpoint, ID for poor police retirees :)

They both have a lake . . .

Lots of Canadians vist Sandpint too...

They hide in the pushes come Stampede time.

Yes, just another silly Rebecca comment, designed to annoy

This is from a woman who knows that many gringos in Jinotega that she had to go on line to find out about a murder on her doorstep.

Now she is the resident Migracion expert on Retirement Profiling...

I had heard about it from someone which is why I asked.

Unlike a lot of people rumor-mongering about Nicaragua, I try to have more than one source for something. Now have two local and a couple of internet sources.

Most of the people who post here and even more on the other site are certainly right of center, and a fair number are ex-police or military (one of the former just came back to Jinotega for the fourth or fifth time, having moved to Panama for a few weeks and decided it was too full of gringos and is moving again in a month). The further trouble is that they tend to fly off into hysterics over some trivial things, being sure that the Nicaraguan government is out to get them. They tend to be oblivious about the Nicaraguans around them -- it's rather funny to hear an ex-pat trash the FSLN in a hotel owned by someone who appears to have some connection with the FSLN.

It could be worse. We could be getting libertarian Ayn Rand freak artists retiring here.

Rebecca Brown

Or on the other hand...

"It could be worse. We could be getting libertarian Ayn Rand freak artists retiring here"

Or conversely, you could be getting Droids who want a government that makes them dependent to said government and never do anything for themselves...

Wait, Are We Talking

about Nicaragua, or did this thread really go off course ?

If I Were

being encouraged, I'd be like the gay cook book writer in "Havana", who ends the movie with the news he's off to write a book about Vietnamese Cuisine. This was immediately after the Castro takeover. Win one, lose one -or did I get that backwards? Those were the CIA's glory days, things are a lot tighter now. And I don't think that there is a defined Nicaraguan Cuisine.

I'm not hostile to the current government , or to DO. I recognize that he's brought some much-needed stability to Nicaragua, he doesn't steal nearly as much as he could, and that's probably a fair trade-off. I don't think he's a thug or a sociopath, he's basically an opportunist, and may have been from the beginning. I don't understand Marco Rubio's focus on Nicaraua: there are a LOT of MUCH WORSE governments in the world --see "whipping boy" below.. I really appreciate the freedom of speech and press and travel that exists in Nicaragua. DO's legitimacy is between him and the Nicaraguan people.

But, I'm a realist, and have seen how things can easily get out of hand when poor decisions are made. Nicaragua in the 80's is an excellent example of that. Reagan needed a commie whipping boy, and Ortega conveniently gave him exactly what he was looking for. Hollywood couldn't have provided a better player. A lot of Hondurans, Costa Ricans, got rich off that money; very little of it trickled down to the Contras. Nicaragua was never the point, but the game played out on their board cost them a lot of blood. They provided the pawns. The game was between the Soviets and the US.

Bad things happen to good people. Nicaragua today is an example of that. So is Iran. And Cuba. The list dates back to the dawn of history.

Observations/guesses

I totally understand ex-military. I don't think any of us have an issue there. Ex-police is potentially very different (in theory, trained to protect the people around you). I have no idea if there have been any "bad cop" experiences in Nicaragua with ex-cops moving here but it may be no more than a logical extension of what has been within Nicaragua.

Some years ago (I forget exactly when) the national police started rotating the top officers in the various jurisdictions. The idea was that corruption was happening because these people built local relationships. The rotation would prevent that. I was told this by an officer with something like 20 years of service who is one who is now rotated. While he doesn't seem thrilled with long stays away from home, it does seem to work.

As for what police checks do and don't turn up, I am reasonably sure a lot of police check information flows only one way in the US. This was certainly true a few years ago for some jurisdictions I am famailiar with. That is, information flows from location police to FBI but, for example, a police report from a local or even state-wide police department generally would not show anything about a crime from a different state.

Let me clarify that a bit. If you had a criminal record in state X and moved to state Y, it is likely that getting a driver's license in state Y or attempting to buy a firearm in state Y would cause the state X information to be discovered. If, however, you had no relationship with state Y, getting a police report from state Y would not show anything.

While I don't know this for a fact, I would expect this to be the same with Interpol. Note that Costa Rica has, at least for the last 10 years, required an Interpol check to get residency.