Is he already Married

I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to find out if someone is married in Nicaragua. In the USA you can just find it in the newspaper the day after, I mean it's fairly simple. But since I don't live there I have no clue. I am married here in Idaho to a Nicaraguan man. He has a child in Nic. but says he never married. His family also backs his story, but I got a call from his ex saying they are married. Although she offered no proof she still has me freaked out. I feel like it's a Jerry Springer episode. SOMEONE PLEASE HELP!!!!

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False Document?

Yes it's easy to produce a false document; I can buy "papel sellado" (Gov't sealed paper) just about anywhere in Nica., type anything i want, affix stamps onto it, and send it, you wouldn't know the difference.

The important issue in here is whether there's an official record of the document or not.

Since you already have the date and place where the alleged marriage took place, is easy to verify it, by having someone check with the registrar's office.

Or have her take the document to the U.S. consulate and have it notorized, certified, etc.

Al

She has supplied Marriage Certificate

Ok so my husbands ex that claims they are married has sent me an email of a scanned marriage license. I know she is a lawyer in Managua and my husband claims that it would be fairly simple for her to conjure up a false document...Is this true? Does anyone know what a real marriage certificate looks like and what official stamps need to be on it to make it valid...Thanks for any help.

What's the point?

Well, you now have a copy of what she says exists. Get someone in Managua to check the public records and verify that it is recorded. That is, assuming it is from Managua but you know that now.

That will answer the question "good enough". That is, you know that such a document is recorded. It matters little whether it is real or someone forged it if it is recorded.

So, what next? It seems that you are all too concerned over a piece of paper and not with the relationship you have. That is, does he pay the bills? Does he come home after work? ...

YES HE DOES

Yes he comes home afer work, pays the bills, and doesn't drink very often. I'm not to concerned about a piece of paper, I don't even care if he was married and just needs a divorce, unless it's going to mess up my family. I have a son with this man. What I'm worried about is that if he is legally married there then our marriage is invalid here. We are in the process of getting his green card so if he is in fact already married I'm afraid they will deny the card and deport him or something crazy...Like I said before he completly denies every being married to the woman. He says that they were young and still in school, she told him that she was pregnant after they broke up, and he doesn't care for her anymore. He does send her $100.00/month child support. I asked him if that was enough and he said that 100 bucks is a far more than enough in that country.

The Green Card Flag

I married an undocumented man who claimed he never "married" the mother of his children in Mexico. We brought his two boys to the US and supported his daughter and her mother in Mexico. A year after he received his green card he brought another woman back from Mexico and when I went for the divorce all he was concerned about was losing his green card. I since met his wife who is a Pastor in Mexico (as was my husband)and we had good conversations about the truth of the whole situation. I'm not saying this could be you but please think with your head not your heart. Also, if he's able to send more than $100 he should. He should be providing for his children and $100 doesn't cut it. When you fill out the forms for a green card, it will ask if he is or has been married.

"Married"

In Latin America it is fairly common for people to use the term "marriage" rather freely, even though it is a Catholic country. Most people I have met my whole life, will call a woman's "roommate" her husband, even though they were never married in a chruch nor in a court nor in the mayor's office. The words (wife, husband, etc.) simply do not mean what they tend to mean in north america; they are often not civil or religious terms. If the wedding was in a church or court your work is much less if you know the era and city. Without this, it can be a lot of work, and it might not be in your interest to do this work. If the woman who called you cant send you a copy (real certified copy, not a merely photocopy) of the certificate, you should definitely assume there is a very good reason why she cannot do this. Anyone who has spent much time in the Latin world knows that facts rarely decide who is right or wrong or what happens next. Best for you, you are not in the Latin world, and can ignore -if you can- what might amount to little more than a segment from a Mexican soap opera...

Marriage certificate

IdahoNative: Have the alleged ex-wife send you a copy of the marriage certificate.....Or have someone go to El Registro Civil de las Personas,(Civil Registrar Office) usually in the Mayor's office of the town where the alleged marriage took place, and get a copy of the certificate, if any.

Note, the certificate must have the appropiate governmental stamps and seals.

Church

If they were married in a church, the church will likely have a record. It doesn't have to be a big expensive ceremony to be a church wedding; it's common for the service to be integrated with a regular mass.

Searched the Church records

I went up to Jinotega with my wife, to relocate a copy of her Baptism, which was misplaced by her family during the war. All records are stored by date. She had to figure out approximately when she was baptized, and then they searched about 1 month of records.

That's one way to do it

My wife merely purchased a new certificate before we got married, to prove she'd been baptized. I guess they had her record somewhere to confirm it. I watched the priest in Esteli write our names in a big leather bound book, so at least one parish keeps records.

The same might apply to wedding records

Yes, I am a Catholic and was baptized in Esteli. My wife is a Protestant. We wanted to send our daughter to a Catholic school here in Toronto but the school wanted proof that at least one of the parents was a baptized catholic. Fair enough, I called my grandma and she paid a visit to the priest who for $10 cordobas produced a certificate saying that a long long time ago Nicoya had been baptized at the local church. I got it translate it and it worked with flying colors...

In many poor countries, an

In many poor countries, an official state marriage is forgone due to expense. In its stead, is a verbal agreement and recognition of a quasi-marital state among the families and in the barrio of the couple's residence. There are typically few feduciary considerations, the woman will go to work, her mother or sister will look after any children and the man will drink and raise hell with his friends in the vecino (coming home to sleep and to discipline his wife). I exaggerate only slightly. I am not up on Nicaragua specifically, maybe someone with anecdotal knowledge will chime in here.

In your case, and understanding what I said here, you can see how it would be possible for your husband (and his family) to deny any previous "marriage". I don't think it matters much, really. Do you? What's important is that you know he has a child and, therefore, has an obligation to help support it financially from afar.

what is

a vesino?

Vecino

is a "neighbor"

IdahoNative

Please be aware that Hairball does not have any experience with Nicaragua (or with you and your husband) and as this is a very important matter to you, please disregard anything he has to say. His posts are slanted and almost always negative. He has no business telling you what your responsibilites are or how Nicaraguan men act. He has branded your husband as a drunk, liar and a wife beater. Is this how you see your husband?

Please be aware ...

Please be aware that HCCowboy never said anything about any specific husband. He (accurately from what I see living here) described the typical situation. That is, one of lack of responsibility by men toward their families. This fact is one of the reasons many women seem to prefer extranjeros over locals.

Carina's points are also very accurate. For you, it seems the issue is only how you see your husband. If you see him as responsible (which could include contributing to the support of his child even though there would be no obligation) and honest with you, it makes little difference what did or didn't happen in Nicaragua.

He's right

Unlike USA there is no court to make fathers pay for their kids in Nica. Even so most fathers are basically deadbeats so no money to collect.

I know of many households run by woman with no men present at all. Many fathers contribute almost nothing for their own kids in this type situation. Most are lazy, drink too much, and have no education. They have moved on to a younger woman or do not want the day to day responsibilities.

I do know of one man who has fathered 20+ kids over the last 15 years with a dozen women.

If you want to see this problem there is an orphanage in Rivas with 400+ kids basically abandoned many for the reasons above.

This is one of biggest problems in Nicaragua and should not be dismissed as 'negative'. This problem is getting WORSE.

im glad you asked

cause i was wondering the same thing. even with married couples in Nica, i cant figure out if they really are married or not just walking down the street, cause so few people wear/have wedding rings.

slightly confusing to me also. i hope things work out ok with you guys :)

Dios te bendiga.

En Cristo, -Marissa